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Heavy Metal

Posted: 08 Feb 2010
by Bx Bandit
Well, ok, mild steel. Angle to be more precise. I have noticed in the past that mild steel angle can sometimes come with a radius on the inner corner and some times a right angle. Is that a coincidental difference or not? If not, is there a specific name for each different types?

Doc, what does your supplier charge for 50 x 50 x 5 angle mate?

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 08 Feb 2010
by jayw
I used to use a lot angle for fabrication at the HGV workshop, i'm pretty sure the radius is inconsequential, mine used to vary depending on where my ironmonger got his supplies from month to month. Although it's fair to say the radius would add an amount of extra strength.

I've ordered various steel online and the company i get if from offeres free delivery on orders over £75 and their service has been excellent with competetive prices. Let me know if you want it and i'll dig out the URL. To be fair though, unless you're getting it out of a skip it isn't that cheap anywhere ATM.

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 08 Feb 2010
by Bx Bandit
too right, a quick look on ebay says about £30 for 3 meters!

The actual radius is inconsequential as I want angle iron without a radius. If I'm to keep my current trailer axle (which historically has been cut and welded back together - badly with camber and toe in) then I want to cut and re-weld, using some right angled angle to strengthen (or replace it)

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by Philhod
You can get perfectly good 2nd hand stuff at half the price Bandit! if yo want to fit it inside the original just grind a chamfer on the outside corner.

Also, you can use 45 x 45 x 6 flat bar, cladding the outside. That will put almost the same strength in and is considerably cheaper. :wink:

The lip radius just depends on where it was made.

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by docchevron132
I'm paying over 12 quid a meter for 2 1/2" 6mm angle....

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by Way2go
docchevron132 wrote:I'm paying over 12 quid a meter for 2 1/2" 6mm angle....
You can likely pick up (buy cheap) various sizes of angle from Demolition Contractors that do Commercial/Factory work, ex roof trusses etc.

Downside is that it will have several coats of paint already on it. :)

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by docchevron132
I'm not really worried about the cost TBH, the dude I use isn't all that cheap, but he is really helpful, local and always gets what I want, when he says he will.

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by Way2go
docchevron132 wrote:always gets what I want, when he says he will.
Yeah, you can't say that for the demolition guys can you?

It's available when it's available!
When it's gone it's gone!
:P :P :P

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by Philhod
Well I've never NOT found what I wanted or an alternative. There is a humungous scrappy near me and there is always stuff available

And he still sells it by the foot if it's :lol: 2"x2" x1/4" (£2)

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by Philhod
:oops: :oops: :oops: Withdraw that last post.....Liam has info.

I aint been there for about 3 years, Apparently it's now a new housing estate!!!!!!

Jesus I wouldn't fancy doing any gardening there then!! certainly not veg [vomit] [vomit]

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by jayw
Bandit, this is the company i use mail-order www.metals4u.co.uk Never had any problems with them, although it's quite funny watching them squeeze the lorry down my road for the sake of 2 6mtr lengths of steel :lol:

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by Vanny
Philhod wrote:Well I've never NOT
You appear to have gone a little Welsh all of a sudden. Double negatives for the win!

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by Way2go
Philhod wrote::oops: :oops: :oops: Withdraw that last post.....Liam has info.

I aint been there for about 3 years, Apparently it's now a new housing estate!!!!!!

Jesus I wouldn't fancy doing any gardening there then!! certainly not veg [vomit] [vomit]
In Reading, there was the Manor Farm Sewage Works operated by Thames Water. At certain stages the ingesters or whatever gave off what the locals called the "Whitley Whiff".

Now Thames Water have built a new sewage works elsewhere and sold off the old site for development. This has already now been developed and named Kennet Island with houses, shops and even a Hilton Hotel! :roll:

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by Bx Bandit
Thanks Jay, it works out at £34 for a 3 metre length of 2" angle. I must admit I thought steel was cheaper.....or am I stuck in the dark ages?!

I could use some bar as you suggest Phil, although I need some angle anyway to extend the sides of the trailer, but that stuff can have the rad on the inside. I thought one was cold formed and the other hot formed or some such, resulting in the differences of a radius or right angle.

There is/was a great metal workshop who would let you have stuff for nowt of his scrap pile but last time I was there his pile was almost non existent!

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by jonathan_dyane
Way2go wrote:
Philhod wrote::oops: :oops: :oops: Withdraw that last post.....Liam has info.

I aint been there for about 3 years, Apparently it's now a new housing estate!!!!!!

Jesus I wouldn't fancy doing any gardening there then!! certainly not veg [vomit] [vomit]
In Reading, there was the Manor Farm Sewage Works operated by Thames Water. At certain stages the ingesters or whatever gave off what the locals called the "Whitley Whiff".

Now Thames Water have built a new sewage works elsewhere and sold off the old site for development. This has already now been developed and named Kennet Island with houses, shops and even a Hilton Hotel! :roll:
Now there would be ideal for growing veg :D

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 09 Feb 2010
by Philhod
:lol: :lol: :lol: You beat me to it there JD. I would have thought that would have been an excellent growing medium, specially Rhubarb!!!

Certainly better than heavy metals and indeterminate oils, although digging out for an extention
may produce a few unpleasant surprises :lol: :lol: :lol:

I realised I had got the sentance wrong Vanny, It was easier to stick that in coz it conveys the message clearly than re writing it all :wink:

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 10 Feb 2010
by docchevron132
Bx Bandit wrote: I must admit I thought steel was cheaper.....or am I stuck in the dark ages?!
It was cheap, but not anymore, largely because the chinese aint buying much, so the scrap price is still shite, but everyone seems to be stockpiling what there is floating about, hence the cost of new is artifically high.

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 10 Feb 2010
by Way2go
Philhod wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: You beat me to it there JD. I would have thought that would have been an excellent growing medium, specially Rhubarb!!!

Certainly better than heavy metals and indeterminate oils
I'm not sure about that guys, I believe the site was classified Toxic and to comply with Planning they had to remove something like 3 metres depth of the surface, truck it & dump it and then replace it with good topsoil!

I also seem to remember that a housing estate somewhere near Bristol was built on a dump or something and the gardeners there found their cabbages grew blue! :shock: I believe it was found to be due to Cobalt contamination. [vomit]

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 10 Feb 2010
by Philhod
:) Yes, exactly!! although you can grow decorative cabbage of several colours, including blue.

However I don't remember cobalt blue as an option :lol:

Re: Heavy Metal

Posted: 10 Feb 2010
by docchevron132
All of Bristol is built on a shit tip. It still is a shit tip...