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Picarsoles again

Post by Philhod » 27 Nov 2013

Dek's engine was rattling again of late and the cam belt had been rubbing on the inside of the top casing, so we decided to replace the lot as it's now done about 150K.

So. It's had new belts and all the rollers idlers, water pump and tensioners. A new btm sprocket, new keys and auxiliary belt crankshaft drive and auto tensioner.
Everything cleaned timed up spot on etc.
After refilling with coolant, we started it up, it started first touch of the key and ticked over really smoothly, however, it would not accelerate beyond 1/2 throttle.
As it warmed and we finished bleeding the air out, it suddenly goes OK. He took it out later for about 10 miles, on the way back it goes into limp mode again. Restarted it yesterday and all is fine again and has stayed that way. Dek decided to take it up to Rigbye's to get it checked out on the computer as the engine light has been on for about 12 months but with no symptoms presented.
Since we restarted it, about 3 times it has run on for a couple of revs after switching off but with instant restart no problem.

My question is:- Rigbye's have diagnosed either a failing HP pump (yes I know) or it's regulator/filtre. Is this likely? It runs free on this engine, not timed, so we have not touched anything on it and it was fine before, exhibiting no symptoms whatsoever.
The only thing I did that may have upset the electronics is that I shorted out the starter motor live to earth a couple of times, while locating the timing pin in the flywheel.
This with the ignition off but I know nothing of electrickery as you know. It be a substance of the devil.
Any observations gladly received before he shells out large numbers of the folding stuff. :(
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Post by Philhod » 14 Dec 2013

Update: We didn't get any specific info from Rigbyes so Dek took it to a new geezer who's opened up near the tyre place we use. He stuck it on his computer and came up with a number of things which were not the HP pump.
While he was having a poke around under the bonnet he noticed that there is no cover on the plastic wiring trunking
(never has been) he then says these two wires (???) should be twisted together otherwise they don't operate properly.
He promptly twists them neatly together and tapes them up. By this time Dek is thinking bulshit.
Bck on the laptop faults disappear and engine light goes off.
A week later no issues at all.

What do I know................................ :roll:
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Re: Picarsoles again

Post by Father Ted » 14 Dec 2013

Oddly that sounds about right for the French motor.
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Re: Picarsoles again

Post by Philhod » 15 Dec 2013

:lol: I got the print out from the computer

P1521 Faulty cluych pedal switch Faulty signal

P0101 Air flow/Air Mass Meter Faulty signal

P 0221 Accelerator sensor Faulty signal

P0380 Preglow System Incorrect function

P1517 Immobilisor/C/locking ECU missing or faulty

P1138 Solenoid Fuel Pressure RegulatorValve Incorrect function.

All this on a Hella/ Gutmann Diagnostics machine. No mention of a faulty HP Pump/ regulator/filter

The Citroen machine must been having a day off. :twisted:

Still no engine light and no further issues all week.....fingers crossed
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Re: Picarsoles again

Post by mat_the_cat » 16 Dec 2013

Apart from that it's all right though?
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Re: Picarsoles again

Post by Vanny » 16 Dec 2013

well, its a picasso, so i guess it doesnt get too good even when new
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Post by Philhod » 17 Dec 2013

:lol: Well I've had mine for over 7 years now and apart from being on my 3rd lift pump in the tank I've only had a few electronic niggles which were cleared by replacing sensors.
Because the battery is positioned under the passenger seat I'm still on the original. Likewise the cam and auxilliary belts but that will change soon. original exhaust still ok and it's 10 years old now.
The only other issue again electrical, is the fault on the indicator/ lighting switch arm. A replacement is quoted at about £250, but I've found it works fine if you drive with the sidelights on jobbed.
I know Vanny is no fan but quite honestly it suits me perfectly. High (and comfortable) driving position, very economical,
low road tax. I can take all the seats out and get a van also.

I was looking at alternatives if I change it and I've come up with 2 options. A C4 or C3 Picasso,
Ohters I looked at were the Ford, same engine different body, Audi Q3, cramped and a lot of extras to meet the Cit's standard bitz and the B class Merc again not as much room and even less standard equipment. Also, none of these has separate, removable, sliding, reclining rear seats. :wink:
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Post by docchevron132 » 19 Dec 2013

P0380 Preglow System Incorrect function is a fairly generic code that more often than not has fuck all to do with the glow plug box at all. Usually it'll pop up if a throttle or turbo fault is recorded..

The Ford engine isn't quite the same either!
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Post by Philhod » 08 Jan 2014

Just got back last night. Despite the codes Doc, the engine light has stayed off and it aint put a foot wrong scince the guy checked it out and taped some wires up. Strange but...err... good
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Post by docchevron132 » 28 Jan 2014

was it the wires to the fuel pressure sensor per chance?
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Post by Philhod » 02 Feb 2014

:) bit slow responding. Computer collapsed again. Only got back on line tonight, complete with new hard drive and windows 7. Still getting used to these instantaneous actions.

I've no idea Doc as I wasn't there when he did it.I think, from what Dek said they could have been as they were at the front and are now taped down to the conduit that carries the rest of the wires. [fire]

It has been fine ever since although it has over 150K on it and the Next job is beginning to look like a clutch. :roll:
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Post by docchevron132 » 06 Feb 2014

sounds like the fuel pressure sensor wiring then. Pretty common failure. Had a mare of a job finding a fault on an 806, ran a new pair of wires from the sensor plug to the multiconnector on the bulkhead, happy days ever since.
Doing a turbo failure on a 1.6 HDI now, 3rd turbo in 2 years... happiness.
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Post by Philhod » 08 Feb 2014

:) Well at least it's reasonably accessible, the one on mine is a bastard to remove and replace on it's own. Not as bad if you are doing other things and have shifted the engine off it's mounts though. What make of turbo? The old KKK's were pretty bulletproof.
Dek's been quoted £350 for a new clutch fitted. Sounds cheap compared to Cit's £599 fixed price menu.
Went looking at the new C4 picasso yesterday..... I want one :cry:
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Post by docchevron132 » 12 Feb 2014

got most of the top end off at the moment.. Turbo was off in less than an hour. Getting the DPF off to remove the feed pipe took longer, the air diverter box is fucked, the intercooler is full of oil.. it's all a tad wanked..
Garrett blower on the 110HP, known for being shit, and this is the third it's lunched in a year....
£350 is bloody good, assuming that includes the DM Flywheel..
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Post by Philhod » 14 Feb 2014

It does sound pretty fucked, can't you get rid of the DPF? Or does that fuck up the computery stuff...

:shock: I wasn't aware the early (90/91) cars had a dual mass thingy. I'll get him to ask exactly what's in the quote.
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Re: Picarsoles again

Post by Philhod » 16 Feb 2014

:D He's had it done. £305 all in VAT an all.
He dropped it off at a clutch specialist in Westhoughton at 8-30 Thursday am. Walked down to see a mate of his nearby for a brew gets a phonecall at 11- 30, come and get it all dun!
He says it's like driving a new car the clutch is that light now 8)
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